Lorenzo Brown and Naturalize: Truths and Lies - Sportish
Connect with us

Basketball

Lorenzo Brown and Naturalize: Truths and Lies

Published

on

Lorenzo Brown and Naturalize: Truths and Lies

Did Spain commit a basketball injustice with Lorenzo Brown? Are the naturalized…a FIBA ​​scam? Yiannis Fileris seeks to provide answers to a problem that has troubled us for decades by asking the opinion of Giorgos Limniatis, who, from his experience in Georgia, knows exactly what it means to be a naturalized American in a national team

Spain won the gold medal in the Eurobasket with the two Hernangomet brothers, their coach Sergio Scariolo, their captain Rudy Fernandez, the players from the strong ACB league and one… American. Lorenzo Braun proved to be a key player, taking over the entire leadership role from Furia Rocha and was one of the central and much-discussed figures of the event even before the start of the Eurobasket.

The choice of the Spanish FA at the suggestion of Sergio Scariolo unleashed a storm of criticism even within Spain, as Roja had chosen a player who had nothing to do with the country or even the Spanish league.

The world champions appeared to emulate the smaller dynamic national sides such as Georgia, Belgium, ex-Ukraine and North Macedonia, who entrusted the crucial point guard position to a well-known American playing in Europe.

He emulated these ‘little ones’ or others, such as Russia 2007 when, led by JR Holden, he hit the bull’s eye and forced Spain to a painful defeat in the final in Madrid. The Spaniards were waiting for how and how they could finally win a gold medal in the Eurobasket, but the CSKA Moscow playmaker, to whom David Blatt had handed the reins of the Russian national team, scored just before the end of the game and left the hard-fighting team back in 2nd place (she won her first gold at a European Championship two years later in Poland).

And suddenly he opened up a conversation about… naturalization, as if we were seeing it for the first time! Neven Spahia unleashed a tirade against naturalized players, as the term translates from French, implicating Dorsey and Antetokounmpo, who weren’t exactly sure how either played for the Greece national team.

Brown’s presence was seen as a minor (or major, take that as you will) disservice to Spain’s national team, as without the American, Scariolo’s team might never have achieved the gold medal. Firstly, we don’t know and secondly, Spain thought of Brown because Ricky Rubio is recovering from surgery on his left knee, while Sergio Yule has also not been able to get over the injury problems that have plagued him all year.

For many, Spain’s move was legitimate, but it was very opportunistic and even more unfair. A player with no connection whatsoever to Iberia became one of the protagonists of the new European champions. Here is a field of glory to be unleashed, once more against the Spaniards we adore… hate.

And yet the Spaniards did no more than what the regulations stipulated, but even their own sporting culture allows the use of foreign players in their national teams.

Naturalizing à la French…

The term naturalize comes from French. Because of their colonies, the stuffy French gave away passports, whether they deserved it or not, to soccer and basketball players. More in the 70s and 80s, less in the years that followed, when the first rules for their use were defined.

Jean Tigana, who perfectly complemented Michel Platini’s French midfield, was born (in former French Sudan), Maurice Trezor was from Guadeloupe, while Christian Carrebet was born in now semi-autonomous New Caledonia.

In basketball, we briefly remember Apolo Fage, who was born in Senegal but played 80 games with the tricolors. And another center, Georges Vestris, was born on French soil in the Caribbean (Martinique).

The Spaniards, however, had started the merry-go-round of naturalizations earlier. Argentine Alfredo Di Stefano became Spanish by playing for both national teams (while in Bogotá he played in friendly matches with the Colombian national team without even having a pass). The galloping colonel of Hungary, Ferenc Puskas, also acquired a Spanish passport and when he was naturalized as a Spaniard wore the Furia Roja shirt in World Cup qualifiers.

The Spanish “moda” in basketball

Clifford Luke, “holy monster” of Real Madrid and Spanish basketball, was born in Syracuse, New York, 21 years before he was in Madrid and wore the jersey of the Merengues. From 1962 to 1978 he played basketball at Real, whose coach he later became. Very early on, not until 1968 (for the Olympic Games in Mexico) Luke had a Spanish passport and played in the Spanish national team (until 1975).

In fact, Spain have had two naturalized players in the top five since 1971, thanks to center Luke (2.03) and outstanding scorer Wayne Brabender. And he from Real, who came to Madrid in 1968, got his passport and played at the club for 11 years. At the historic 1973 silver medal, Brabender was named tournament MVP.

Later, the Spaniards gave Chico Sibillio, a year after his arrival in Barcelona from Dominica (1977), a pass to Josechu Biryukov, who had Spanish roots in two national teams (USSR, Spain, but also on the mother’s side), European champion with Badalona in the year 1994 Mike Smith.

Sergi Ibaka from Congo in the Spanish national team

In recent years, Sergi Ibaka (Congolese national team player) and Nikola Mirotic, who has lived permanently in Madrid since he was 14, have played in Spain’s small national teams, but outside of basketball he’s a proud Montenegrin!

Our case

Greece did not – at least – initially need naturalization of basketball players. The migration of thousands of our compatriots to America was enough to find another way to approach the homeland of basketball. The children of Greek immigrants came to play in their parents’ country in the 1970s.

Some, of course, were not even related to the resourceful agents who were willing (with compensation, of course) to find a particular municipality in New York to issue birth certificates to Greeks and non-Greeks alike.

The best of these emigrants (Giatzoglou, Kastrinakis, Diakoulas, Vidas, Mallach, Stergakos) wore the coat of arms, with one of the last of the group becoming the man who would lead us to the promised land. The son of George and Stella Galis, inductee of the Neismith Basketball Hall of Fame, now Nikos Galis…

All played as Greeks, even if they came with American passports, while at a certain point restrictions were introduced for those not born on Greek soil. So we screwed up the Korfa case in 1989 when the French found out he was born in Ohio and not Greece as the Greek FA claimed. Korfas could not compete as a native, he was considered naturalized, but the position had already been filled by David Stergako.

In the 1990s, having already exhausted the pool of US expatriates, resourceful Greeks found various ways to Greekize ordinary foreigners or gamers with a nebulous or non-existent connection to Greece (Misunov, Subotic, Pecharski, Tarlats, Tomic , Sock , Koousma, Zevrosenko, Zurpenko, Stojakovic, Jaric, Tsakalides). Only Jake Tsakalides (or Alexey Ledkov as his real name) competed in the national team.

At the turn of the century we returned to the second and third generation of expatriates from the USA. First Nick Calathes appeared, then Kostas Koufos, Mike Bramos, now we have Tyler Dorsey, then Mitrou Long (while there’s also Zach August).

What does the regulation say…

Though undeniably of Greek origin, Dorsey (and Mitrou Long) are considered naturalized. The new FIBA ​​rule stipulates that each national team has the right to field only one player who has acquired legal citizenship through naturalization or otherwise after the age of 16. This provision also applies to players who were born with the right to acquire citizenship but did not exercise it until the age of 16.

Tyler Dorsey, the naturalized player of the Greece national team

For players who have citizenship before the age of 16 but did not produce a passport, FIBA ​​will decide through their Secretary General on a case-by-case basis by examining place of birth, length of stay, participation in national competitions and anything else related to the affiliation with the Country proves whose national team he wants to serve. This is the case of Antetokounmpo, who of course compete like Greeks …

… and what is that (let’s say Giorgos Limniatis)

FIBA accepted the naturalizations we’ve seen over the past fifteen years, when wealthy Americans received passports from European countries just to play basketball. It could be argued that we’re doing the same thing by taking advantage of the Greek roots of every Dorsey who, if he wasn’t playing basketball, would hardly even consider getting a Greek passport. He won’t be entirely right, because even through the twisting basketball street, Dorsey returns to the land of his ancestors. What do the different McFaddens have to do with the different Georgias?

Giorgos Limniatis, who has been sitting on the National Agriculture bench alongside Ilias Zouros for six years, is one of the most qualified to answer the question and analyze all the parameters:

FIBA has given this opportunity mainly to the small national teams, believing that it will improve competition in the major competitions. He wasn’t wrong. Since mainly players who have the ball in their hands are selected, teams like ours have obviously helped a lot. Others, like FYROM in 2011 with Bo McCaleb, made it all the way up to 4th place, as did Poland this year thanks to Slaughter.

I will tell you something. It also depends on each individual player how he integrates into the respective team. I’m going to talk about our own McFadden who really turned into a Georgian. He’s a great character and has become one with our team, on and off the pitch. The Mike Dixon we had before wasn’t like that without being a bad character. Thad is no different from the rest of the team like he’s a real Georgian.

I think the same goes for Slaughter in Poland, while Brown, despite being very new to the Spanish team, has embraced the whole philosophy of the team and bonded with the company. After all, he couldn’t have this achievement if he didn’t feel that way.

It’s not just his business, but without McFadden we certainly wouldn’t have made the progress that National Georgia has shown in recent years. We beat teams like Spain, Lithuania and Turkey. So, at the competitive level, using a naturalization helped Georgia get on the basketball map, organize a Eurobasket group and even qualify for the “16” despite the great misfortune we had with Sengelia’s injury.

There is also a longer-term benefit. As basketball grows in popularity through the national team, it means that some children, more than in the past, are stepping onto a court for the first time accompanied by an orange ball. If we find two or three players who eventually make the national team, we’ll owe it (in part) to McFadden too…”

The truth is that the subject isn’t exhausted that easily (hence the 2000 or so words you’ve already read). The Spaniards certainly did not commit a crime by picking Lorenzo Brown. Instead of this. I guess they played checkmate…

Source: sport 24

Continue Reading
Click to comment

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

Basketball

“Start with me.” Doncic talked about what needs to change in the Lakers

Published

on

By

“Start with me.” Doncic talked about what needs to change in the Lakers

Star player of Los Angeles Lakers Luka Doncic Against the background of the embarrassing defeat of Houston Rockets (96:119), he explained what the team had to change to improve the results:

“I don’t know exactly what needs to change, but something definitely needs to change. We need to figure it out, that’s what we need to do. Everyone should discuss it.”

I know JJ Redick said it would be disturbing. And that’s the way it should be.

As I said, we need to discuss this. It may be uncomfortable, but everyone needs to try harder, starting with me.

We just have to challenge each other. Everyone should challenge themselves and their teammates. “There’s no way to play the way we play, so we’ve got to be better than that.”

Source: Sport UA

Continue Reading

Basketball

Murray breaks NBA Christmas record for most three-pointers

Published

on

By

Murray breaks NBA Christmas record for most three-pointers

On the night of December 25-26, as part of the Christmas games of the NBA regular season, the Denver Nuggets defeated the Minnesota Timberwolves in overtime, 142:128.

Nuggets’ point guard Jamal Murray played with 35 points (2/3 free throws, 3/14 two-pointers, 9/18 three-pointers) and 10 assists in this game.

The Canadian player broke the record for the most accurate three-pointers in a match by making 9 three-pointers in the Minnesota hoop. Thus, he surpassed the record of 8 three-pointers each of Stephen Curry (2024), Grayson Allen (2023), Luka Doncic (2023) and Patty Mills (2021).

Murray also became the third player in NBA Christmas history to score 35+ points, 10+ assists and 5+ 3-pointers, joining Luka Doncic and Tracy McGrady.

Source: Sport UA

Continue Reading

NBA

NBA: Jokic’s triple-double, loss to Houston, San Antonio win over Oklahoma

Published

on

By

NBA: Jokic’s triple-double, loss to Houston, San Antonio win over Oklahoma

On the evening of December 25 and the night of December 26, five Christmas games were traditionally held as part of the NBA regular season.

The most important match of the match day was played in Oklahoma, where the Thunder hosted San Antonio.

The home team started the game better and were ahead for most of the first quarter, but they missed a move 0:11 into the quarter, allowing Spurs to take the lead 41:36. Oklahoma was unable to take the lead after that, but San Antonio maintained its lead by keeping the game under control and eventually won 117-102.

The Spurs have won all three games against the Thunder this season, while Oklahoma has lost just two of the other 28 games.

The most productive player of the match was Fox, who brought 29 points to San Antonio, while Vembanyama also scored a double-double with 19 points and 11 rebounds.

The Lakers played Houston at home and suffered a crushing defeat.

The fate of the match was decided in the first quarter, when the Rockets won by 12 points (25:37). Afterwards, they increased their advantage by completely controlling the course of the match and eventually won with a score of 119:96.

For Houston, Thompson scored 26 points and Shengyun had a double-double with 14 points and 12 rebounds.

Denver and Minnesota closed out game day.

The first half of the match ended in a draw. Neither team managed to take a lead of more than 9 points, and Denver entered the big break with a 2-point lead at 57:55. In the third quarter, the Nuggets made an attack of 6:0 at the beginning and 10:2 in the middle, reaching a 16-point lead, and at the end of the quarter they were ahead +15 – 90:78. The Timberwolves did not give up and made a 16:2 move midway through the fourth quarter, reaching a lead of 107:108. This gave fans a tense ending; Edwards hit a three-pointer 2 seconds before the siren, sending the game into overtime at 115:115. And there Jokic played a decisive role and scored 18 points in 5 minutes, allowing the Nuggets to win 142:138.

Jokic scored 56 points in the NBA on Christmas Day, falling just four shy of Bernard King’s record. Nikola also recorded a triple-double with 16 rebounds and 15 assists. Murray had a double-double with 35 points and 10 assists.

NBA. Regular season. Christmas Day, 25-26 December

New York – Cleveland – 126:124 (23:38, 37:20, 24:38, 42:28)

New York: Brunson (34), Hart (15), Bridges (12), Towns (11 + 14 rebounds), Anunoby (8) – start; Clarkson (25), Kolek (16 + 9 assists), Diawara (5), Hookporty (0), Robinson (0 + 12 rebounds).

cleveland: Mitchell (34 + 7 rebounds + 6 assists), Garland (20 + 10 assists), Merrill (11), Allen (7 + 9 rebounds), Wade (6) – start; Tyson (16), E. Mobley (14 + 9 rebounds), Hunter (13), Bryant (3), Ball (0).

Oklahoma – San Antonio – 102:117 (36:41, 24:28, 19:26, 23:22)

Oklahoma: Gilgeous-Alexander (22), Hartenstein (13 + 12 rebounds), Jaylen Williams (12 + 6 assists), Holmgren (10 + 12 rebounds), Dort (8) – start; Caruso (12), K. Williams (8), Wiggins (5), Joe (5), Wallace (5), Carlson (2), Barnhizer (0), Youngblood (0).

San Antonio: Fox (29), Castle (19 + 7 assists), Barnes (15), Cornet (6), Vassell (5) – start; Vembanyama (19 + 11 rebounds), Harper (12), K. Johnson (9 + 7 rebounds), McLaughlin (3), Sohan (0), Shempeni (0), Brian (0), Olynyk (0), Waters (0).

Golden State – Dallas – 126:116 (40:28, 31:30, 29:31, 26:27)

Golden State: Curry (23), Butler (14 + 9 rebounds + 9 assists), Moody (12), Dr. Green (7), Post (6) – start; Melton (16), Horford (14), Podziemski (13 + 8 rebounds), Jackson-Davis (10), Payton II (6), Richard (5).

dallas: Flagg (27), Marshall (14), Washington (14 + 10 rebounds), Nembhard (4), Davis (3) – starter; Williams (26), Christie (13), Thompson (7), Gafford (6), Caleb Martin (2).

Lakers-Houston-96:119 (25:37, 28:26, 21:29, 22:27)

Lakers: Doncic (25 + 7 assists + 6 turnovers), James (18), Reeves (12), Ayton (10), Hachimura (0) – start; Vanderbilt (11), Smart (6), Larevia (5), James Jr. (3), Thiero (2), Knecht (2), Kleber (2).

Houston: Thompson (26 + 7 rebounds), Durant (25 + 9 assists), Smith (16 + 7 rebounds), Shengyun (14 + 12 rebounds + 6 turnovers), Eason (13) – start; Sheppard (13), Capela (6), Adams (4 + 9 rebounds), Tate (2), A. Holiday (0), Davison (0), Green (0), Okogie (0), Finney-Smith (0).

Denver – Minnesota – 142:138 (STARTING 32:29, 25:26, 35:23, 23:37, 27:23)

Denver: Jokic (56 + 16 rebounds + 15 assists + 5 turnovers), J. Murray (35 + 10 assists), Hardaway (19), Jones (12 + 9 rebounds), Watson (9) – start; B. Brown (7), Nnaji (2), Valanciunas (2), Strother (0).

Minnesota: Edwards (44 + 6 turnovers), Randle (32 + 7 rebounds + 6 assists), McDaniels (21), Gobert (9 + 12 rebounds + 6 blocks), DiVincenzo (6 + 7 rebounds + 8 assists) – start; Reed (13), Hyland (11), Clark (2), Juzeng (0), Conley (0), Shannon (0).

tournament tables

Western Conference

Eastern Conference

Source: Sport UA

Continue Reading

Trending

All Rights Reserved © 2023 - Sportish | Powered by: